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title: "The Word of Bob"
source: https://otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/the-word-of-bob/
retrieved: 2026-06-28
author: Tom Mahood (otherhand.org) / quoted sources
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# The Word of Bob
## Lazar’s Story – Technical tidbits
Over time, I’ve become very interested in the Lazar story, particularly from a technical viewpoint. Unfortunately, few of the interviews or statements he’s given went very far into technical areas. What I have done is assemble all info I could find regarding Lazar’s statements specifically on how the gravity drive operates, and to a lesser extent, how the crafts move through space (Please feel free to add “allegedly” and “supposedly” wherever you’d like!). I was looking for the overall picture, and also for contradictions in his story. Judge for yourselves.
**NOTE**: Some of the interviews were simply question and answer sessions. In those cases, I took liberties of excerpting only pertinent questions and strung them together in the order asked and answered. In the case of the book and tape excerpts, there existed a certain flow, so I identified discontinuities by the notation [BREAK].
Tom Mahood
February 28, 1994
#### On the Record, KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, Nevada, 12/9/89
George Knapp, producer/host
Robert Lazar, guest
**Lazar:**
The first thing was HANDS-on experience with the anti-matter reactor.
**Knapp:**
Explain what that is and how it works and what it does.
**Lazar:**
It’s a plate about 18 inches in diameter with a sphere on top.
**Knapp:**
We have a tape of a model that a friend of yours made. You can narrate along. There it is.
**Lazar:**
Inside that tower is a chip of Element 115 they just put in there. That’s a super-heavy element. The lid goes on top. And as far as any other of the workings of it, I really don’t know, you know, [such as] what’s inside the bottom of it . . .115 sets up a gravitational field around the top. That little wave guide you saw being put on the top: it essentially siphons off the gravity wave, and that’s later amplified in the lower portion of the craft.
But just in general, the whole technology is virtually unknown.
**Knapp:**
Now we saw the model. We saw the pictures of it there. It looks really, really simple, almost too simple to actually do anything.
**Lazar:**
Right.
**Knapp:**
Working parts?
**Lazar:**
None detectable. Essentially, what the job was to back-engineer everything, where you have a finished product and to step backwards and find out how it was made or how it could be made with earthly materials.
There hasn’t been very much progress.
**Knapp:**
How long do you think they’ve had this technology up there?
**Lazar:**
It seems like quite a while, but I really don’t know.
**Knapp:**
What could you do with an anti-matter generator? What does it
do?
**Lazar:**
It converts anti-matter . . .It DOESN’T convert anti-matter! There’s an annihilation reaction. It’s an extremely powerful reaction, a hundred percent conversion of matter to energy, unlike a fission or fusion reaction which is somewhere around eight-tenths of one percent conversion of matter to energy.
**Knapp:**
How does it work? What starts the reaction going?
**Lazar:**
Really, once the 115 is put in, the reaction is initiated.
**Knapp:**
Automatic.
**Lazar:**
Right.
**Knapp:**
I don’t understand. I mean, there’s no button to push or anything?
**Lazar:**
No, there’s no button to push or anything.
Apparently, the 115 under bombardment with protons lets out an anti-matter particle. This anti-matter particle will react with any matter whatsoever, which I imagine there is some target system inside the reactor. This, in turn, releases heat, and somewhere within that system there is a one-hundred-percent-efficient thermionic generator, essentially a heat-to-electrical generator.
**Knapp:**
How is this anti-matter reactor connected to gravity generation that you were talking about earlier?
**Lazar:**
Well, that reactor serves two purposes; it provides a tremendous amount of electrical power, which is almost a by-product. The gravitational wave gets formed at the sphere, and that’s through some action of the 115, and the exact action I don’t think anyone
really knows.
The wave guide siphons off that gravity wave, and that’s channeled above the top of the disk to the lower part where there are three gravity amplifiers, which amplify and direct that gravity wave.
**Knapp**:
In essence creating their own gravitational field.
**Lazar:**
Their own gravitational field.
**Knapp**:
You’re fairly convinced that science on earth doesn’t have this technology right now? We have it now at S-4, I guess, but we didn’t
create it?
**Lazar:**
Right.
**Knapp:**
Why not? Why couldn’t we?
**Lazar:**
The technology’s not even — We don’t even know what gravity IS!
**Knapp:**
Well, what is it? What have you learned about what gravity is?